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{{Bass Line Out

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=== Use the proper cables ===

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== Bass Line Out and B1 behavior ==

~~This is based on the design goal that “You should always sound the same; no matter how much Bass stuff is attached”~~ I ~~can try to explain my view of why this is a good design goal (of which you may disagree) but let’s look at the actual behavior first.~~

[[Image:ModelIBassOutputs.png|Model I right side Input/Output panel]]

~~=== Without Bass Line out ===~~

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* 1xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, some nominal gain that we call 0dB

* 2xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, -6dB as compared to nominal

~~=== With~~ Bass ~~Line Out ===~~

The behavior of the bass line out and B1 Bass Module outputs on the {{Classic}} and {{Model I}} are based on the philosophy that adding {{B1}}s should give the user more dynamic range (can play louder) but should not alter the tone of the instrument, including tone adjustments made using the {{R1}}, the {{T1}} or other tone-shaping equipment.

* 0xB1: 40-180 Hz, flat, roughly the ~~same gain as 2~~ B1

* 1xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, ~~B1 specific EQ, -6dB as compared to nominal~~

* 2xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, -~~12dB as compared to nominal~~

~~What~~ this ~~complex behavior does~~ is the ~~following~~. No ~~matter if you attach~~ 1, 2, ~~or 4 B1s~~, you ~~will~~ get ~~pretty much~~ the ~~same balance between all combined B1s~~ and the ~~L1s~~. ~~It’s a little off for 3~~, 5, 6, ~~7 & 8~~ B1s, ~~but still reasonably close.~~

This philosophy is notably different from other manufacturers, who take the approach that it's okay (or desirable) that adding more bass speakers causes the instrument tone to become "bassier".

With this philosophy in mind, here is how the bass line out and B1 outputs work.

=== No cable plugged into the Bass Line out ===

* If there is 1 x B1 connected to the B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: B1 EQ, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL

* If there are 2 x B1 connected to the B1 Bass Module output: B1 EQ, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 6 dB

Why? Because when you add a second B1, if you did not change the signal strength you would get 6 dB more bass relative to the mids and highs. This would alter the tone of the instrument. To keep the tone the same, while still allowing the more dynamic range (system can play louder by 6 dB) the signal level must be reduced by 6 dB.

=== Cable connected to the Bass Line Out ===

* If there is 0 x B1 connected to B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: flat EQ on Bass Line Out, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 6 dB

* If there is 1 x B1 connected to B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: B1 EQ on Bass Line Out and B1 Out, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 6 dB

** If you are using a {{A1 EB}} this is a total of 3 B1s (2 on the A1 and 1 on the PS1)

* If there are 2 x B1 connected to B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: B1 EQ on Bass Line Out and B1 Out, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 12 dB

** If you are using a {{A1 EB}} this is a total of 4 B1s

=== With More Than 4 B1s ===

Hilmar gives a a little insight. <ref>Hilmar-at-Bose [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3976055944/m/9641017814?r=4081020914#4081020914 Third Party Subwoofer Discussion on the Bose Community Message Boards]</ref>

The PS1 does not measure the exact number of {{A1}}s, so there is a slight error if you use anything but 1,2, or 4 B1s.

~~We actually can't~~ measure the exact number of ~~Packlites~~, so there is a slight error if you use anything but 1,2, or 4 B1s. For 6 B1s you will be 3.5 dB bass heavy, for 8 B1s it'll be 6 dB.

~~However, these are rare cases, and if you go through the trouble to hook up 8 B1s, I guess you are actually looking for something more bass~~ heavy.

For 6 B1s you will be 3.5 dB bass heavy, for 8 B1s it'll be 6 dB heavy.

~~Don't ask how I know.~~

=== Details for Experts ===

[[Category:A1 ~~PackLite™~~]]

<includeonly>[[Bass Output for Experts / Classic / Model I]]</includeonly>

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[[Category:A1 PackLite®]]

[[Category:PS1 Powerstand]]

[[Category:Bass]]

[[Category:B1 Bass Module]]

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+{{Bass Line Out
+ |icons={{Classic icon}}{{Model I icon}}
+ |panelImage=[[Image:ModelIBassOutputs.png|Model I right side Input/Output panel]]
+ |Crossover=180
+}}
+=== Use the proper cables ===
+{{B1 Cable Warning}}
+<!-- previous version - delete after testing
+<noinclude>
+__NOEDITSECTION__
+{{Classic icon}}{{Model I icon}}
+{{Bose Reviewed}}
+<table><tr>
+<td valign="top" width="350">__TOC__</td>
+<td valign="top">[[Image:ModelIBassOutputs.png|Model I right side Input/Output panel]]
+</td>
+</tr></table>
+</noinclude>
+<includeonly>
 == Bass Line Out and B1 behavior ==
-This is based on the design goal that “You should always sound the same; no matter how much Bass stuff is attached” I can try to explain my view of why this is a good design goal (of which you may disagree) but let’s look at the actual behavior first.
+[[Image:ModelIBassOutputs.png|Model I right side Input/Output panel]]
-=== Without Bass Line out ===
+</includeonly>
-* 1xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, some nominal gain that we call 0dB
-* 2xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, -6dB as compared to nominal
-=== With Bass Line Out ===
+The behavior of the bass line out and B1 Bass Module outputs on the {{Classic}} and {{Model I}} are based on the philosophy that adding {{B1}}s should give the user more dynamic range (can play louder) but should not alter the tone of the instrument, including tone adjustments made using the {{R1}}, the {{T1}} or other tone-shaping equipment.
-* 0xB1: 40-180 Hz, flat, roughly the same gain as 2 B1
-* 1xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, -6dB as compared to nominal
-* 2xB1: 40Hz-180Hz, B1 specific EQ, -12dB as compared to nominal
-What this complex behavior does is the following. No matter if you attach 1, 2, or 4 B1s, you will get pretty much the same balance between all combined B1s and the L1s. It’s a little off for 3, 5, 6, 7 & 8 B1s, but still reasonably close.
+This philosophy is notably different from other manufacturers, who take the approach that it's okay (or desirable) that adding more bass speakers causes the instrument tone to become "bassier".
+With this philosophy in mind, here is how the bass line out and B1 outputs work.
+=== No cable plugged into the Bass Line out ===
+* If there is 1 x B1 connected to the B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: B1 EQ, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL
+* If there are 2 x B1 connected to the B1 Bass Module output: B1 EQ, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 6 dB
+Why? Because when you add a second B1, if you did not change the signal strength you would get 6 dB more bass relative to the mids and highs. This would alter the tone of the instrument. To keep the tone the same, while still allowing the more dynamic range (system can play louder by 6 dB) the signal level must be reduced by 6 dB.
+=== Cable connected to the Bass Line Out ===
+* If there is 0 x B1 connected to B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: flat EQ on Bass Line Out, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 6 dB
+* If there is 1 x B1 connected to B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: B1 EQ on Bass Line Out and B1 Out, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 6 dB
+** If you are using  a {{A1 EB}} this is a total of 3 B1s (2 on the A1 and 1 on the PS1)
+* If there are 2 x B1 connected to B1 Bass Module output on the PS1: B1 EQ on Bass Line Out and B1 Out, bass signal gain = REFERENCE LEVEL - 12 dB
+** If you are using a {{A1 EB}} this is a total of 4 B1s
 === With More Than 4 B1s ===
-Hilmar gives a a little insight. <ref>Hilmar-at-Bose [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3976055944/m/9641017814?r=4081020914#4081020914 Third Party Subwoofer Discussion on the Bose Community Message Boards]</ref>
+The PS1 does not measure the exact number of {{A1}}s, so there is a slight error if you use anything but 1,2, or 4 B1s.
-We actually can't measure the exact number of Packlites, so there is a slight error if you use anything but 1,2, or 4 B1s. For 6 B1s you will be 3.5 dB bass heavy, for 8 B1s it'll be 6 dB.
-However, these are rare cases, and if you go through the trouble to hook up 8 B1s, I guess you are actually looking for something more bass heavy.
+For 6 B1s you will be 3.5 dB bass heavy, for 8 B1s it'll be 6 dB heavy.
-Don't ask how I know.
-<noinclude><references/>
+=== Details for Experts ===
-[[Category:A1 PackLite™]]
+<includeonly>[[Bass Output for Experts / Classic / Model I]]</includeonly>
+<noinclude>
+{{:Bass Output for Experts / Classic / Model I}}
+</noinclude>
+<noinclude>
+----
+<references/>
+[[Category:A1 PackLite®]]
 [[Category:PS1 Powerstand]]
 [[Category:Bass]]
 [[Category:B1 Bass Module]]
 </noinclude>
+-->