Localization Spaciousness Reverberation - Revision history

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	{{Editorial}}		{{Editorial\|Author=[[User:Hilmar-at-Bose\|Hilmar-at-Bose]]}}
	Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose		Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose
	<ref name="hilmar">[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>		<ref name="hilmar">[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>

ST: Protected "Localization Spaciousness Reverberation": Editorial / Reference [edit=sysop:move=sysop]

2007-08-10T14:12:19Z

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ST: editorial

2007-08-10T14:11:52Z

editorial

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	Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose		Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose
	<ref name="hilmar">[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>		<ref name="hilmar">[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>

ST: {{:Cocktail Party Effect}}

2007-08-10T11:43:28Z

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	High reverberance is caused by lots of reflections in rooms with little absorption. The L1 is particularly good at NOT producing as much reverberance because it sends little sound to the upper walls and ceiling where many detrimental reflections originate and are perpetuated.		High reverberance is caused by lots of reflections in rooms with little absorption. The L1 is particularly good at NOT producing as much reverberance because it sends little sound to the upper walls and ceiling where many detrimental reflections originate and are perpetuated.

	~~=== Cocktail Party Effect ===~~		<!-- transcluded article -->
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	~~The advantages of the approach based on the Cylindrical RadiatorTM loudspeaker are comprehensive because both the primary and secondary problems characteristic of the triple~~-~~system approach are addressed.~~

	~~1. Full use of the property of hearing known as the cocktail party effect~~
	In the audience and on stage, regardless of location, the sound of each instrument or voice comes from a different direction. Thus the full spatial richness present in an unamplified performance is achieved. The full benefit of the cocktail party effect – the ability to pick out and appreciate individual instruments and voices because they are coming from different directions – is enjoyed by musicians and members of the audience.

	~~[[Image:CocktailPartyEffectImage.png\|Page 51 Bose White Paper: Applying the Benefits of Unamplified Acoustic Music to Performances with Amplification]]~~

	~~In the approach using Cylindrical Radiator loudspeakers described here, the listener hears sound from the locations of each of the individual instruments, as in an unamplified performance.~~

	~~This is an excerpt from the Bose White paper~~
	~~"Applying the Benefits of Unamplified Acoustic Music to Performances with Amplification"~~ - ~~page 51<ref~~>~~[http~~://bose.infopop.cc/groupee_files/attachments/8/7/2/8721034854/8721034854_BoseWhitePaper_ed2b.pdf?ts=46BC4A4B&key=9D3A40A60552A5DFEF41D72303BA06FE&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fbose.infopop.cc%2Feve%2Fforums%2Fa%2Fga%2Ful%2F9721034854%2FBoseWhitePaper_ed2b.pdf Applying the Benefits of Unamplified Acoustic Music to Performances with Amplification]

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ST: === Cocktail Party Effect ===

2007-08-10T11:35:59Z

=== Cocktail Party Effect ===

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	High reverberance is caused by lots of reflections in rooms with little absorption. The L1 is particularly good at NOT producing as much reverberance because it sends little sound to the upper walls and ceiling where many detrimental reflections originate and are perpetuated.		High reverberance is caused by lots of reflections in rooms with little absorption. The L1 is particularly good at NOT producing as much reverberance because it sends little sound to the upper walls and ceiling where many detrimental reflections originate and are perpetuated.

			=== Cocktail Party Effect ===

			The advantages of the approach based on the Cylindrical RadiatorTM loudspeaker are comprehensive because both the primary and secondary problems characteristic of the triple-system approach are addressed.

			1. Full use of the property of hearing known as the cocktail party effect
			In the audience and on stage, regardless of location, the sound of each instrument or voice comes from a different direction. Thus the full spatial richness present in an unamplified performance is achieved. The full benefit of the cocktail party effect – the ability to pick out and appreciate individual instruments and voices because they are coming from different directions – is enjoyed by musicians and members of the audience.

			[[Image:CocktailPartyEffectImage.png\|Page 51 Bose White Paper: Applying the Benefits of Unamplified Acoustic Music to Performances with Amplification]]

			In the approach using Cylindrical Radiator loudspeakers described here, the listener hears sound from the locations of each of the individual instruments, as in an unamplified performance.

			This is an excerpt from the Bose White paper
			"Applying the Benefits of Unamplified Acoustic Music to Performances with Amplification" - page 51<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/groupee_files/attachments/8/7/2/8721034854/8721034854_BoseWhitePaper_ed2b.pdf?ts=46BC4A4B&key=9D3A40A60552A5DFEF41D72303BA06FE&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fbose.infopop.cc%2Feve%2Fforums%2Fa%2Fga%2Ful%2F9721034854%2FBoseWhitePaper_ed2b.pdf Applying the Benefits of Unamplified Acoustic Music to Performances with Amplification]

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ST at 16:26, 6 August 2007

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	Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose		Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose
	<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>		<ref name="hilmar">[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>

	There may be some confusion about “localization” and “spaciousness”. Both are perceptual attributes, which have been intensively studied especially in the context of concert hall acoustics.		There may be some confusion about “localization” and “spaciousness”. Both are perceptual attributes, which have been intensively studied especially in the context of concert hall acoustics.
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	The main contributing factors for spaciousness are “early lateral reflections”. These are reflections from the sidewalls. Reflections from the side help quite a bit with creating a sense of space and envelopment. Reflection from the floor and ceiling are less desirable since they don’t enhance spaciousness but can negatively impact clarity and spectral balance. There are very interesting physiological reasons of why lateral reflections are perceived so much differently than vertical ones. I could drone on for hours on this topic, but I’ll save that for later. Anyway, it’s not too much of a surprise that most renowned concert halls (e.g. Musikvereinssaal in Vienna, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, or Boston Symphony Hall) have a “shoebox” shape that is long, narrow and tall. This shape provides good lateral reflections pretty much everywhere in the audience. Ironically, it’s not very popular with architects since the sight lines are terrible. Visually oriented architects prefer the “shell” shape, which provides great viewing but (unfortunately) no lateral reflections whatsoever. But I’m digressing again… The L1 does (in my humble opinion) the best thing. It radiates very wide horizontally but very little much towards the ceiling. Thus it provides enough energy for lateral reflections but keeps interfering ceiling reflections at bay. Since it’s a single source, it provides very easy and accurate localization, but in most venues the image will also be pleasantly spacious. That’s at least my own experience. - read it in context -		The main contributing factors for spaciousness are “early lateral reflections”. These are reflections from the sidewalls. Reflections from the side help quite a bit with creating a sense of space and envelopment. Reflection from the floor and ceiling are less desirable since they don’t enhance spaciousness but can negatively impact clarity and spectral balance. There are very interesting physiological reasons of why lateral reflections are perceived so much differently than vertical ones. I could drone on for hours on this topic, but I’ll save that for later. Anyway, it’s not too much of a surprise that most renowned concert halls (e.g. Musikvereinssaal in Vienna, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, or Boston Symphony Hall) have a “shoebox” shape that is long, narrow and tall. This shape provides good lateral reflections pretty much everywhere in the audience. Ironically, it’s not very popular with architects since the sight lines are terrible. Visually oriented architects prefer the “shell” shape, which provides great viewing but (unfortunately) no lateral reflections whatsoever. But I’m digressing again… The L1 does (in my humble opinion) the best thing. It radiates very wide horizontally but very little much towards the ceiling. Thus it provides enough energy for lateral reflections but keeps interfering ceiling reflections at bay. Since it’s a single source, it provides very easy and accurate localization, but in most venues the image will also be pleasantly spacious. That’s at least my own experience. - read it in context<ref name="hilmar">[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>


	Originally posted by Ken-at-Bose <ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/9411055461#9411055461 Ken-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref> (later in the same discussion):		Originally posted by Ken-at-Bose <ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/9411055461#9411055461 Ken-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref> (later in the same discussion):

ST: Unprotected "Localization Spaciousness Reverberation": core content from Hilmar-at-Bose and Ken-at-Bose

2007-08-06T16:23:35Z

Unprotected "Localization Spaciousness Reverberation": core content from Hilmar-at-Bose and Ken-at-Bose

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ST at 06:55, 23 August 2006

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	Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose		Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose
	<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>		<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>
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	The main contributing factors for spaciousness are “early lateral reflections”. These are reflections from the sidewalls. Reflections from the side help quite a bit with creating a sense of space and envelopment. Reflection from the floor and ceiling are less desirable since they don’t enhance spaciousness but can negatively impact clarity and spectral balance. There are very interesting physiological reasons of why lateral reflections are perceived so much differently than vertical ones. I could drone on for hours on this topic, but I’ll save that for later. Anyway, it’s not too much of a surprise that most renowned concert halls (e.g. Musikvereinssaal in Vienna, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, or Boston Symphony Hall) have a “shoebox” shape that is long, narrow and tall. This shape provides good lateral reflections pretty much everywhere in the audience. Ironically, it’s not very popular with architects since the sight lines are terrible. Visually oriented architects prefer the “shell” shape, which provides great viewing but (unfortunately) no lateral reflections whatsoever. But I’m digressing again… The L1 does (in my humble opinion) the best thing. It radiates very wide horizontally but very little much towards the ceiling. Thus it provides enough energy for lateral reflections but keeps interfering ceiling reflections at bay. Since it’s a single source, it provides very easy and accurate localization, but in most venues the image will also be pleasantly spacious. That’s at least my own experience. - read it in context -		The main contributing factors for spaciousness are “early lateral reflections”. These are reflections from the sidewalls. Reflections from the side help quite a bit with creating a sense of space and envelopment. Reflection from the floor and ceiling are less desirable since they don’t enhance spaciousness but can negatively impact clarity and spectral balance. There are very interesting physiological reasons of why lateral reflections are perceived so much differently than vertical ones. I could drone on for hours on this topic, but I’ll save that for later. Anyway, it’s not too much of a surprise that most renowned concert halls (e.g. Musikvereinssaal in Vienna, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, or Boston Symphony Hall) have a “shoebox” shape that is long, narrow and tall. This shape provides good lateral reflections pretty much everywhere in the audience. Ironically, it’s not very popular with architects since the sight lines are terrible. Visually oriented architects prefer the “shell” shape, which provides great viewing but (unfortunately) no lateral reflections whatsoever. But I’m digressing again… The L1 does (in my humble opinion) the best thing. It radiates very wide horizontally but very little much towards the ceiling. Thus it provides enough energy for lateral reflections but keeps interfering ceiling reflections at bay. Since it’s a single source, it provides very easy and accurate localization, but in most venues the image will also be pleasantly spacious. That’s at least my own experience. - read it in context -

	Originally posted by Ken-at-Bose <ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/9411055461#9411055461 Ken-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>		Originally posted by Ken-at-Bose <ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/9411055461#9411055461 Ken-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref> (later in the same discussion):
	(later in the same discussion):

	What we perceive as "reverberance" is caused physically almost entirely by the persistence in time of an acoustic event.		What we perceive as "reverberance" is caused physically almost entirely by the persistence in time of an acoustic event.
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ST: first ed.

2006-08-23T06:54:10Z

first ed.

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Originally posted by Hilmar-at-Bose
<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/2051026361#2051026361 Hilmar-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>

There may be some confusion about “localization” and “spaciousness”. Both are perceptual attributes, which have been intensively studied especially in the context of concert hall acoustics.

"Localization" refers to your ability to detect the direction of a specific sound source. Let’s say you have your eyes closed but you can immediately tell where the guitar is (as opposed to the bass or the violin).

"Spaciousness" refers to the perceived size of the sound source and how much you feel enveloped with sound. Most researchers believe that a “good” concert hall provides both: accurate and easy localization and a sufficient amount of spaciousness.

The main contributing factors for spaciousness are “early lateral reflections”. These are reflections from the sidewalls. Reflections from the side help quite a bit with creating a sense of space and envelopment. Reflection from the floor and ceiling are less desirable since they don’t enhance spaciousness but can negatively impact clarity and spectral balance. There are very interesting physiological reasons of why lateral reflections are perceived so much differently than vertical ones. I could drone on for hours on this topic, but I’ll save that for later. Anyway, it’s not too much of a surprise that most renowned concert halls (e.g. Musikvereinssaal in Vienna, Concertgebow in Amsterdam, or Boston Symphony Hall) have a “shoebox” shape that is long, narrow and tall. This shape provides good lateral reflections pretty much everywhere in the audience. Ironically, it’s not very popular with architects since the sight lines are terrible. Visually oriented architects prefer the “shell” shape, which provides great viewing but (unfortunately) no lateral reflections whatsoever. But I’m digressing again… The L1 does (in my humble opinion) the best thing. It radiates very wide horizontally but very little much towards the ceiling. Thus it provides enough energy for lateral reflections but keeps interfering ceiling reflections at bay. Since it’s a single source, it provides very easy and accurate localization, but in most venues the image will also be pleasantly spacious. That’s at least my own experience. - read it in context -

Originally posted by Ken-at-Bose <ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6806048934/m/4891042361/r/9411055461#9411055461 Ken-at-Bose in the Bose® Musicians Community Message Boards]</ref>
(later in the same discussion):

What we perceive as "reverberance" is caused physically almost entirely by the persistence in time of an acoustic event.

Spaciousness -- the feeling of envelopment and room size is different.

Localization -- where we perceive the sound to be coming from -- is different again.

Localization is almost entirely determined by the direction of the first arrival of sound (almost always the direct sound from the speaker in this case) and thus is almost entirely immune from the effects of reflections. Spaciousness is heavily determined by lateral reflections, which are produced in relative abundance by the L1 because it's so wide in its pattern.

High reverberance is caused by lots of reflections in rooms with little absorption. The L1 is particularly good at NOT producing as much reverberance because it sends little sound to the upper walls and ceiling where many detrimental reflections originate and are perpetuated.

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