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South Atlantic States L1® Conference 2008

2008-04-22T20:07:58Z

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[[Image:L1 SoAtlSt poster r00 web200.jpg|South Atlantic States L1® Conference - Little Switzerland]]

''''Little Switzerland''''

Please use this page to share your ideas and plans for the event. To add to the page Click the '''edit tab''' above. If you create an account - please use the same "Name" as you use on the {{forum}} so we'll recognize you. The idea is to use this page for ideas that are fairly firm, and use the [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/1591005925 message board discussions] for the ongoing conversation.

== Fast Facts ==
It's all so real that people are booking their rooms! [[User:ST|ST]] 14:49, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
[[Image:LittleSwitzerlandNC.png|thumb|high level view of where we're headed]]
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Switzerland+Inn,+Little+Switzerland,+NC,+28749&ie=UTF8&ll=35.848291,-82.077398&spn=0.059762,0.07184&z=14&iwloc=A Little Switzerland, North Carolina] (link to a map)
* Venue: [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]
* Dates: May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday)

* [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|How do I add information here?]]

== Discussions about the conference ==
These are on the Bose Musicians Message Boards
* [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/1591005925 South Atlantic States Conference] named [http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/rrhtml/regdef.html South Atlantic States] to cover Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
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== Venue ==
=== Switzerland Inn / Geneva Hall ===
[[Image:SwitzerlandInnSiteMap.jpg|300px|right|Switzerland Inn site map]]
* [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]<br />'''Mountain View Restaurant''' (Buildings 12 and 13): quoting Eve-at-Bose<ref name="Eve">Eve-at-Bose notes [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1591005925/m/6071077125?r=3131082925#3131082925 in the message board discussion]</ref>: "12+13. (Gary the Manager) said he'll let you guys use this room for free for your performances. It's actually 2 35'x36' foot rooms that used to have a wall between them, but the wall got knocked down, and there are some bathrooms built at either side, so that the opening is only 16' wide, but he said he uses it as one big banquet room (35'x72'). "

* Another option is the Geneva Hall nearby. The Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate). See John Sweets detailed notes: <br />Called Switzerland Inn - spoke to nice man named Jack.
** Jack said Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate).
** Their standard rooms rates on weekends are (for mountain view) $110 / night to $170 / night for a larger room with two queens.
** They discount the rooms (with a booking of 20 or more rooms) $30 on weekdays. (Sunday - Thursday).
** They can provide all meals and offer full bar service. Every Friday night they have a Prim Rib and Seafood buffet. Or, if we had 75 people or more, they'd provide the buffet for us exclusively some other evening. They can do things like "three menu option" meals as well.

==== Geneva Hall ====
[[Image:Geneva Hall 001 (Medium).jpg|thumb]]
[[Image:Geneva Hall 008 (Medium).jpg|thumb]]

Geneva Hall is a country meeting hall. It is all wood. Wood floors, walls, ceiling. Approximate dimensions are 30x60. There are approximately 50 metal fold-up chairs. There is a small raised stage in one corner. It is raised approximately 8". There is a kitchen and refrigerator. We could provide beverage services. We do have a nice patio on the lobby of the lodge; it is not covered.

Pictures of Geneva Hall added today, 3-17-08.



== Lodging ==
[[Image:SwitzerlandInnSiteMap.jpg|thumb|Switzerland Inn site map]]
We are booking rooms at the [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]

* Toll-free: 1-800-654-4026
* Phone: 1-828-765-2153
* Fax: 1-828-765-0049

* Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm Monday - Saturday

* Email: info@switzerlandinn.com

Quoting Eve-at-Bose<ref name="Eve" /> (referring to the site map above)
:There is a good variety of rooms and prices. For those who want to save money and go more rustic, there is #19 (Edelweiss) which has 8 bedrooms for $50 each. The A-Frames are so cute, and there are more apartment type accommodations. He said that you can take $20 off whatever rate you see on the site. Right now there is no one else booked there.

Update:
The rate is now '''$30 off''' whatever you see on the site. You must mention that you are with the Bose group.

:RV's are fine. He has a space with electric and water hook up, but not sewer.

=== Food ===
[http://www.switzerlandinn.com/lunch.htm Menu at the Switzerland Inn]

Bose will host one of the two dinners, probably Monday night.
- [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1591005925/m/3571025925?r=3541031035#3541031035 Ken-at-Bose]

=== On the Grid ===
[[Image:LittleSwitzerlandOldghm100 0428-300.jpg|right|South Atlantic States L1® Conference - Little Switzerland - thanks Oldghm for the picture]]

There will be wireless Internet access (being installed on April 15th). This should cover most of the area including the Mountain View Dining Room where most of the action will be. This should also cover the main lodge (Building 10)

There is good cell phone coverage.

== Airport ==

Within easy driving distance:

Commercial Service:

* Asheville, NC (AVL) - 1 1/2 hours
* Charlotte, NC (CLT) - 2 1/2 hours
* Blountville, TN (TRI) - 1 1/2 hours
* Greensboro, NC (GSO) - 2 3/4 hours

If you can fly yourself in:

* Hickory, NC - 1 hour

== Date ==

Confirmed: May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday Monday Tuesday)]

Events Sunday night, all day Monday, wrap up by mid-day Tuesday

== What will it cost ==
There is '''no''' cost to attend the conference. You are responsible for your own travel expenses, room and board.

See: [[{{PAGENAME}}#Lodging|Lodging]] for details of costs at the site.

== Things to do in the area ==

*Hiking is abundant.
** There are hiking trails to water falls very nearby and a mountain (by east coast standards) 15 miles away for a good 5 - 6 hour hike.

*Take a tour of [http://www.biltmore.com/ Biltmore], possibly the largest residence ever constructed in America (by a Vanderbilt). Even if you are grossed out by the excess, you can't help but be amazed, over and over. Beyond the house are gardens, grounds and forests. Restaurants on premises. Arrive as soon as the estate opens in the morning for the best experience of the house.

*Shop in the "quaint" district in nearby Asheville.

== Weather - What to Wear ==
Info from [http://www.northcarolinavacation.com/regions/Little-Switzerland-North-Carolina.html a local tourism site]
<table><tr><td>Month</td><td>High Temp</td><td>Low Temp</td><td>Rainfall</td></tr>
<tr><td>April</td><td> 65°F</td><td> 37°F</td><td> 4.60 in.</td></tr>

<tr><td>May</td><td> 72°F</td><td> 45°F</td><td> 5.32 in.</td></tr>
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== Let us know you are coming ==

Please add your name to the list below if are coming or close to making your decision.

Put an asterix at the beginning of the line, then your Bose Message Board name, your real name, the number of people in your party and anything else you want others to know (examples: where you are coming from, arrival date, free seats in your car)

=== L1® Owners and interested parties ===
* Col. Andy (2) Andy & Pam Rucker
* Drumr (2) Julie & Pete Vredenburgh
* Roy (2) Martha & Roy Swindelle + Dog Dyno Rat
* ST (1) ST
* Tom Munch (1) Tom Munch
* gitarzan (1) Larry Myers
* Joelheck (1) Joel Heckman (Villages/Orlando FL) Possible ride share, Leave FL 3rd, Return afternoon 6th
* Oldghm (1) Wife and dog subject to change mind
* JohnNell (1) John - arriving Sat., May 3, staying in Main Lodge
* Troisnoir (2) Tres & Rachel Black, ridesharing with JoelHeck, arriving/departing same as above
* PmP (1) Mike Pinnick - Will attend and will take that RV site!
* BBE (1) Nathan Carls, driving, Saturday afternoon through Tuesday, Lodge
* DanCornett (1) driving, arriving late Fri, or Sat, or Sun early, through mid-day Tuesday. Willing to pick up passengers enroute from Southeastern PA. Reservation confirmed at Edelweiss for Sun & Mon.
* Porchboard (3) Nadene Isackson, Bill Stevens, Dean Dwyer - Monday day/evening only
* rwj (1) Rick Jordan, driving, Sat. afternoon-Tues.noon.

=== People-at-Bose ===
* Chris-at-Bose (1) Chris Ickler (driving in Sunday PM, driving out Tuesday PM)
* Cliff-at-Bose (4) Cliff Henricksen and the 3 other members of the Cliff Henricksen band
* Ken-at-Bose (number of people) Ken Jacob
* MikeZ-at-Bose (Mike Zartarian)
* Steve-at-Bose (1) Steve Skillings
* Wiek-at-Bose (1) Wiechert Vermeulen (Bose Europe)
* Guy-at-Bose (1) Guy Balbeart (Bose Europe)
* Hideki-at-Bose (1) Hideki Yajima (Bose Japan)
* Hiroki-at-Bose (1) Hiroki Nagatani (Bose Japan)
* Neil-at-Bose (1) Neil Chauvin (Base Operations)

== Performers ==
When we know when and where things are happening we will use this section to list who is performing.

=== Cliff Henricksen Band ===
A note from Cliff-at-Bose

I'm delighted to announce that The Entire Cliff Henricksen Band will arrive at the Spring Conference in Ashville. Players are as follows:

* Tom Beier, drums and vocals (Tom is a Bose employee and a great drummer and singer)
* Tom Yates, guitar and vocals (Tom is winner of GC's "King of the Blues" national contest, I think 3 times, sings lead too)
* GW Jenkins, bass and vocals (GW is playing a Steinberger Synapse bass, best definition we found yet)
* Me, keys and vocal

When we're all playing and singing, it's a really full and rich 8-instrument presentation. I'm so pleased this worked out and I think it will be a real treat for everyone. As always, our show will be very dynamic, kid-safe and not too loud.

We'll be doing a complete set of original tunes for you, including a walk-on announcement, time slot tbd (Ken). MikeZ asked if we could be lab rats for an in-process solo v/s ensemble tone workshop, including an all-invited onstage walk-about. I'm also in the final stages of possibly organizing a very exciting workshop on making your musical enterprise more valuable (can you say "sales"?), including a surprise guest.

== Equipment Provided ==
Many of the people who might be driving volunteered to bring gear.

If you don't see it here and want it, then plan on bringing it with you. And if you ''are'' bringing something, then please sign in here and add your stuff to the list. Thanks.

=== L1® Classics / Model I ===
* 2 L1 Classics with 3 B1's - PmP
* 3 L1 Classics with 4 B1's and 1 A1 are available if needed. - Gitarzan

=== L1® Model II ===
* 2- Model IIs - Drumr
* 2- Model IIs - Roy
* 2- Model IIs - Oldghm
* 1- Model II - Col. Andy

=== T1® ===
* 2- T1's - Drumr
* 2- T1's - Roy
* 1- T1 - JohnNell (w/NS-Design presets)
* 1- T1 - Troisnoir
* 1- T1 - Col. Andy
* 1- T1 - Oldghm
* 1- T1 -rwj
* 2- T1's - Tom Munch

=== B1 ===
* 4 - B1's & Packlite - Drumr
* 4 - B1's - Roy
* # as needed, will confirm before departure, Oldghm
* 1 - B1 Col. Andy

=== Instruments ===
* 4pc Acoustic drum set w/cymbals - Drumr
* TrapKAT electronic drum set - Drumr
* drum rug & sticks/brushes - Drumr
* Korg N1 keyboard 88 weighted action w/stand -Roy
* I will bring an extra guitar for those who are flying in and don't to trust their's with the airline. Roy
* I don't mind if someone plays my electric. It's a PRS and I have a vox tone lab. The acoustic I mentioned is a Guild with a fishman pickup. Roy
* Gibson EB2D Bass Guitar - Joelheck
* Porchboard - Oldghm, DanCornett
* Taylor GS w/Expression System, - Troisnoir
* Resurrection Guitars Custom Electric, Takamine 12-String A/E, PODxtLive. Can bring plenty of other guitar gear as needed for those flying (Fender Tele, Brian Moore MIDI, Heritage 575, Roland VG-88&GR-30, Digitech GNX-3 available)
* NS-Wav4 EUB - JohnNell
* Taylor XXV-DR w/Expression System, Kramer American Pacer, Godin Multiac Steel, Mandolin, possibly others (guitar effects: POD XTL, Damage Control WMZ, Adrenalinn II)- Gitarzan
* 2 Takamine Natural Series acoustic guitars w cool tube preamps - Neil-at-Bose
* 2 Ovation acoustics Model TBD - Neil-at-Bose
* GEM RPX piano module - Cliff-at-Bose
* Nord Electro 61 organ (great Wurlitzer and Hammond/Leslie)- Cliff-at-Bose
* Seagull acoustic guitar w/ pickup - DanCornett
* old Epiphone electric bass - DanCornett
* nice sounding d'jembe - DanCornett
* misc. small percussive instruments - DanCornett
* Acoustic Variax 700 + one other real acoustic/electric to be determined. Anyone is welcome to use these. - Col. Andy
* Tele, Strat ... maybe a Les Paul. Some "been there, played that" guitars. - Steve-at-Bose
* Taylor 414 ce le with expression system and Lr baggs imix installed. taylor nylon string- rwj
* Larrivee OM5 or Collings C10 - Tom Munch
* Fishman Pocket Blender - Tom Munch
* Fishman Dreadnought Aura pedal - Tom Munch

=== Other ===
* 1 - Audix OM5 & D6 - Drumr
* 3 - Senn. E604 - Drumr
* 1 - Wireless EV767 - Joelheck
* 2 - EV 767's other assorted mics and stands - Roy
* 1 - SM58 - Troisnoir
* Have a Digitech VocalistLive 2 if anyone wants to check one out before buying. PmP
* 1 - SH55 Series II - BBE
* Audix OM5 & OM6, AudioTechica - Gitarzan
* 1 - Crown CM311A headset wireless - DanCornett
* 1 - Shure Beta 58A Col. Andy
* 1 - Damage Control WMZ and Demonizer - Steve-at-Bose
* 1 - Blackheart 3~5 Watt guitar amp - Steve-at-Bose
* 1 - Senn e609 guitar cabinet mic & cable - Steve-at-Bose
* 1 - Pedal board with various pedals (Wah, TubeScreamer, delay, etc.) - Steve-at-Bose
==== Stands and ... ====
* 2 - Mic Stand w/boom - Drumr
* 1 - Mic stand w/boom - Joelheck
* 1 - Mic stand w/boom, (1) music stand (if I have room) Troisnoir
* 2 - Mic stand w/boom, Behringer mini mixer (if necessary), assorted power and mic cables - Gitarzan
* 2-3 - music stands - DanCornett
* 1 - AKG 535 - Tom Munch

==== Lights ====
* [http://www.chauvetlighting.com/fixtures/rocknlitepack_fix.shtml Chauvet PK-1 ]Rocklite compact lighting pkg w/stands (if needed) - Drumr

== Program Agenda ==
This is preliminary - and unfortunately, not in an easy format to edit. I will get this reformatted by the weekend when I have access to better tools - sorry.

[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1591005925/m/2471025925 Agenda Possibilities]
ongoing discussion of potential topics

{{:South Atlantic States L1® Conference 2008 / Agenda}}

==== Monday Night ====
[[Jazz Loft Project|The Jazz Loft Project]]

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=== Other Presentations ===
* NOTE: My portable DLP projector (2000 lumens) and screen will be available for anyone needing to show a slide presentation - JohnNell
* "Photos of the Day" - Continuous slideshow of informal pictures taken during the conference will be available for viewing

== Music Sign Up Sheet ==
Add your name below if you would like to perform (Start each new line with an asterix)
=== Sunday Night ===
* i will give it a shot. Sunday or Monday works for me - Roy
* Either night- no problem, besides someone always needs a Bass player - Joelheck
* Willing/able to sit in (primarily rhythm guitar) with anyone/most any style. You don't want me to sing...PmP
* I would play - either night - Tom (I'd rather hear someone who hasn't played at one of these yet though)
* Either - DanCornett
* I'll play either night (using my stereo Taylor setup) Rick Jordan

=== Monday Night===
* Either night- no problem, besides someone always needs a Bass player - Joelheck
* Willing/able to sit in (primarily rhythm guitar) with anyone/most any style. You STILL don't want me to sing...PmP
* Nathan Carls & The Impromptones
* I'm an accompanist -- whoever wants to have added keys, bass, percussives, humms or harmonies, ... my goal is to make YOU sound better. - DanCornett


== ToneMatch® Custom Preset Filter - Sign up ==
Please add your name here if you would like to work with Cliff and Mike to create a custom ToneMatch® Preset Filter.

* Baby Blue Eyes - Shure SH55 Series II microphone
* Gitarzan - Taylor XXV-DR, Godin Multiac Steel

== Extra-Curricular Activities - Sign up ==
Some people have expressed an interest in having some activities that are not formally included in the conference agenda. Please use the space below to indicate your interest in activities like this. Note: The Mountain View Room and the Geneva Hall are booked for conference activities. You will need to make separate arrangements if you need a venue for your activity.

=== Sunday Hike ===
==== Details ====
* Organizer __________________
* Meet at time _________________
* Meet at location _________________

==== Participants ====
* Tom Munch
* Larry Myers
* O..

=== Sunday Worship ===
==== Details ====
* Organizer - Nathan Carls
* Meet at time - Tentatively 9:30 (post breakfast, anyway) Depending on hikers, who may also want to do this, we can adjust the time.
* Meet at location - I'm hoping we can do this outside somewhere.

==== Participants ====
* Nathan Carls
* Rick Jordan
* Larry Myers
* Dan Cornett
* O..
* Pete

=== Other Activities ===
Example if you want to add a new extra curricular activity
==== Details ====

* Organizer __________________
* Meet at time _________________
* Meet at location _________________

== Make this your signature ==
{{:South Atlantic States L1® Conference 2008 Message Board Signature}}



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South Atlantic States L1® Conference 2008

2008-03-22T15:37:12Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* People-at-Bose */

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Please use this page to share your ideas and plans for the event. To add to the page Click the '''edit tab''' above. If you create an account - please use the same "Name" as you use on the {{forum}} so we'll recognize you. The idea is to use this page for ideas that are fairly firm, and use the message board discussion (link below) for the ongoing conversation.

== Fast Facts ==
It's all so real that people are booking their rooms! [[User:ST|ST]] 14:49, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
[[Image:LittleSwitzerlandNC.png|thumb|high level view of where we're headed]]
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Switzerland+Inn,+Little+Switzerland,+NC,+28749&ie=UTF8&ll=35.848291,-82.077398&spn=0.059762,0.07184&z=14&iwloc=A Little Switzerland, North Carolina] (link to a map)
* Venue: [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]
* Dates: May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday)

* [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|How do I add information here]]

== Discussions about the conference ==
These are on the Bose Musicians Message Boards
* [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1591005925/m/6071077125 Bose Southeast Conference possibilities] named [http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/rrhtml/regdef.html South Atlantic States] to cover Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
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== Venue ==
=== Switzerland Inn / Geneva Hall ===
[[Image:SwitzerlandInnSiteMap.jpg|300px|right|Switzerland Inn site map]]
* [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]<br />'''Mountain View Restaurant''' (Buildings 12 and 13): quoting Eve-at-Bose<ref name="Eve">Eve-at-Bose notes [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1591005925/m/6071077125?r=3131082925#3131082925 in the message board discussion]</ref>: "12+13. (Gary the Manager) said he'll let you guys use this room for free for your performances. It's actually 2 35'x36' foot rooms that used to have a wall between them, but the wall got knocked down, and there are some bathrooms built at either side, so that the opening is only 16' wide, but he said he uses it as one big banquet room (35'x72'). "

* Another option is the Geneva Hall nearby. The Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate). See John Sweets detailed notes: <br />Called Switzerland Inn - spoke to nice man named Jack.
** Jack said Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate).
** Their standard rooms rates on weekends are (for mountain view) $110 / night to $170 / night for a larger room with two queens.
** They discount the rooms (with a booking of 20 or more rooms) $30 on weekdays. (Sunday - Thursday).
** They can provide all meals and offer full bar service. Every Friday night they have a Prim Rib and Seafood buffet. Or, if we had 75 people or more, they'd provide the buffet for us exclusively some other evening. They can do things like "three menu option" meals as well.

==== Geneva Hall ====
[[Image:Geneva Hall 001 (Medium).jpg|thumb]]
[[Image:Geneva Hall 008 (Medium).jpg|thumb]]

Geneva Hall is a country meeting hall. It is all wood. Wood floors, walls, ceiling. Approximate dimensions are 30x60. There are approximately 50 metal fold-up chairs. There is a small raised stage in one corner. It is raised approximately 8". There is a kitchen and refrigerator. We could provide beverage services. We do have a nice patio on the lobby of the lodge; it is not covered.

Pictures of Geneva Hall added today, 3-17-08.



== Lodging ==
[[Image:SwitzerlandInnSiteMap.jpg|thumb|Switzerland Inn site map]]
We are booking rooms at the [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]

* Toll-free: 1-800-654-4026
* Phone: 1-828-765-2153
* Fax: 1-828-765-0049

* Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm Monday - Saturday

* Email: info@switzerlandinn.com

Quoting Eve-at-Bose<ref name="Eve" /> (referring to the site map above)
:There is a good variety of rooms and prices. For those who want to save money and go more rustic, there is #19 (Edelweiss) which has 8 bedrooms for $50 each. The A-Frames are so cute, and there are more apartment type accommodations. He said that you can take $20 off whatever rate you see on the site. Right now there is no one else booked there.

Update:
The rate is now '''$30 off''' whatever you see on the site. You must mention that you are with the Bose group.

:RV's are fine. He has a space with electric and water hook up, but not sewer.

=== On the Grid ===
There will be wireless Internet access (being installed on April 15th). This should cover most of the area including the Mountain View restaurant where most of the action will be. This should also cover the main lodge (Building 10)

There is good cell phone coverage.

== Airport ==

Within easy driving distance:

* Asheville - 1 1/2 hours
* Charlotte - 2 1/2 hours
* Hickory - 1 hour
* Johnson City - 1 1/2 hours

== Date ==

Confirmed: May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday Monday Tuesday)]

Events Sunday night, all day Monday, wrap up by mid-day Tuesday

== What will it cost ==
There is '''no''' cost to attend the conference. You are responsible for your own travel expenses, room and board.

See: [[{{PAGENAME}}#Lodging|Lodging]] for details of costs at the site.

== Things to do in the area ==

*Hiking is abundant.
** There are hiking trails to water falls very nearby and a mountain (by east coast standards) 15 miles away for a good 5 - 6 hour hike.

*Take a tour of [http://www.biltmore.com/ Biltmore], possibly the largest residence ever constructed in America (by a Vanderbilt). Even if you are grossed out by the excess, you can't help but be amazed, over and over. Beyond the house are gardens, grounds and forests. Restaurants on premises. Arrive as soon as the estate opens in the morning for the best experience of the house.

*Shop in the "quaint" district in nearby Asheville.

== Weather - What to Wear ==
Info from [http://www.northcarolinavacation.com/regions/Little-Switzerland-North-Carolina.html a local tourism site]
<table><tr><td>Month</td><td>High Temp</td><td>Low Temp</td><td>Rainfall</td></tr>
<tr><td>April</td><td> 65°F</td><td> 37°F</td><td> 4.60 in.</td></tr>

<tr><td>May</td><td> 72°F</td><td> 45°F</td><td> 5.32 in.</td></tr>
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== Let us know you are coming ==

Please add your name to the list below if are coming or close to making your decision.

Put an asterix at the beginning of the line, then your Bose Message Board name, your real name, the number of people in your party and anything else you want others to know (examples: where you are coming from, arrival date, free seats in your car)

=== L1® Owners and interested parties ===
* Col. Andy (2) Andy & Pam Rucker
* Drumr (number of people) Pete
* Roy (2) Martha & Roy Swindelle + Dog Dyno Rat
* ST (1) ST
* Tom Munch (1) Tom Munch
* Troisnoir (2) Tres & Rachel Black
* Joelheck (1) Joel Heckman (Villages/Orlando FL) Possible ride share, Leave FL 3rd, Return afternoon 6th

=== People-at-Bose ===
* Chris-at-Bose (1) Chris Ickler
* Ken-at-Bose (number of people) Ken Jacob

== Performers ==
When we know when and where things are happening we will use this section to list who is performing.

== Equipment Provided ==
Many of the people who might be driving volunteered to bring gear. When the venue is finalized, we can list who is bringing what in this section.

If you don't see it here and want it, then plan on bringing it with you. And if you ''are'' bringing something, then please sign in here and add your stuff to the list. Thanks.

=== L1® Classics / Model I ===
*1- Model I - Troisnoir

=== L1® Model II ===
* 1- Model II (or two systems if needed). - Drumr
* 2- Model II's - Roy

=== T1® ===
* 1 - T1 Tonematch (or two if needed). - Drumr
* 2- T1's - Roy
* 1 - T1 Tonematch - Troisnoir

=== B1 ===
* 6 - B1 Modules, 2 Packlites - Drumr
* 4 - B1's - Roy
* 2 - B1's - Troisnoir

=== Instruments ===
* 4pc Acoustic drum set w/cymbals - Drumr
* TrapKAT electronic drum set - Drumr
* drum rug & sticks/brushes - Drumr
* Korg N1 keyboard 88 weighted action w/stand -Roy
* I will bring an extra guitar for those who are flying in and don't to trust their's with the airline. Roy
* I don't mind if someone plays my electric. It's a PRS and I have a vox tone lab. The acoustic I mentioned is a Guild with a fishman pickup. Roy
* Taylor GS w/Expression system, Strat, Boss GT-8 - Troisnoir
* Gibson EB2D Bass Guitar - Joelheck

=== Other ===
* 1 - Audix OM5 microphone - Drumr
* 1 - Audix D6 - Drumr
* 2 - Senn. E604 - Drumr
* 1 - Shure SM58 - Troisnoir
* 1 - Wireless EV767 - Joelheck

==== Stands and ... ====
*1 - Beyer Mic Stand w/boom (more if needed) - Drumr
* 1 - Mic stand w/boom, heavy duty music stand - Troisnoir
* 1 - Mic stand w/boom - Joelheck

==== Lights ====
* [http://www.chauvetlighting.com/fixtures/rocknlitepack_fix.shtml Chauvet PK-1 ]Rocklite compact lighting pkg w/stands (if needed) - Drumr
* 2 - EV 767's other assorted mics and stands - Roy

== Program ==
(Order to be announced and subject to change without notice)

=== Sunday ===
==== Arrivals and Casual Social ====
==== Sunday Evening ====
===== Presentation by Bose =====
Topic to come

===== Music =====
Performances by attendees

Looking for someone to organize this

=== Monday===
==== Presentations all day ====

==== Monday Night ====
Major event - not to be missed! Details coming

==== Music ====
Performances by attendees

Looking for someone to organize this
* I am not sure what is involed with this but I organize alot of the entertainment for benifits in my area, kind of like a stage manager. I will give it the old college try (for what it's worth I never went to college). Roy

=== Tuesday ===
Nothing firm yet, but we should be finished by mid day.

=== Bose Presentations ===
*Chris-at-Bose will talk about psycho-acoustics (human hearing)
More to be announced

=== Other Presentations ===
To be announced

== Music Sign Up Sheet ==
Add your name below if you would like to perform (Start each new line with an asterix)
=== Sunday Night ===
* i will give it a shot. Sunday or Monday works for me - Roy
* Either night- no problem, besides someone always needs a Bass player - Joelheck

=== Monday Night===
* Either night- no problem, besides someone always needs a Bass player - Joelheck



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2008-03-21T17:06:14Z

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Please use this page to share your ideas and plans for the event. To add to the page Click the '''edit tab''' above. If you create an account - please use the same "Name" as you use on the {{forum}} so we'll recognize you. The idea is to use this page for ideas that are fairly firm, and use the message board discussion (link below) for the ongoing conversation.

== Fast Facts ==
There aren't any '''real''' facts yet, but here is a summary of the current thinking. This is very close to being finalized [[User:ST|ST]] 14:02, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=asheville,+NC&ie=UTF8&ll=35.603719,-82.55127&spn=9.123361,14.941406&z=6&iwloc=addr Asheville North Carolina] (link to a map)
* Venue: [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]
* Dates: May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday)

* [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|How do I add information here]]

== Discussions about the conference ==
These are on the Bose Musicians Message Boards
* [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125/p/1 Bose Southeast Conference possibilities...] named [http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/rrhtml/regdef.html South Atlantic States] to cover Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
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== Venue ==

Suggestions have centered around [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=asheville,+NC&ie=UTF8&ll=35.603719,-82.55127&spn=9.123361,14.941406&z=6&iwloc=addr Asheville North Carolina] (link to a map).
[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=3601022625#3601022625 John Sweet has been investigating].

Top of the list so far seems to be the Switzerland Inn using the [[{{PAGENAME}}#Geneva Hall|Geneva Hall]] for music and meeting facilities.
=== Switzerland Inn / Geneva Hall ===
[[Image:SwitzerlandInnSiteMap.jpg|300px|right|Switzerland Inn site map]]
* [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]<br />Buildings 12 and 13: quoting Eve-at-Bose<ref name="Eve">Eve-at-Bose notes [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=3131082925#3131082925 in the message board discussion]</ref>: "12+13. He said he'll let you guys use this room for free for your performances. It's actually 2 35'x36' foot rooms that used to have a wall between them, but the wall got knocked down, and there are some bathrooms built at either side, so that the opening is only 16' wide, but he said he uses it as one big banquet room (35'x72'). "

* Another option is the Geneva Hall nearby. The Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate). See John Sweets detailed notes: <br />Called Switzerland Inn - spoke to nice man named Jack.
** Jack said Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate).
** Their standard rooms rates on weekends are (for mountain view) $110 / night to $170 / night for a larger room with two queens.
** They discount the rooms (with a booking of 20 or more rooms) $30 on weekdays. (Sunday - Thursday).
** They can provide all meals and offer full bar service. Every Friday night they have a Prim Rib and Seafood buffet. Or, if we had 75 people or more, they'd provide the buffet for us exclusively some other evening. They can do things like "three menu option" meals as well.
** April availability:
*** April 27, 28, 29 (Sunday to Tuesday) Discounted rate
** May availability:
*** May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday)
*** May 9, 10 (and possibly 11)
**** This is Friday, Saturday, Sunday (Mother's day weekend) We would get the $30/room discount this weekend. (only discounted weekend available)
** May 30, 31 Friday, Saturday (possibly Sunday)
** June is Booked
** July is open July 18, 19.
** Otherwise, we get into September / October timeframe.
** There are hiking trails to water falls very nearby and a mountain (by east coast standards) 15 miles away for a good 5 - 6 hour hike.
** That's about all the info I collected. Will let you know if I hear back from Wild Acres Retreat.

==== Geneva Hall ====
[[Image:Geneva Hall 001 (Medium).jpg|thumb]]
[[Image:Geneva Hall 008 (Medium).jpg|thumb]]

Geneva Hall is a country meeting hall. It is all wood. Wood floors, walls, ceiling. Approximate dimensions are 30x60. There are approximately 50 metal fold-up chairs. There is a small raised stage in one corner. It is raised approximately 8". There is a kitchen and refrigerator. We could provide beverage services. We do have a nice patio on the lobby of the lodge; it is not covered.

[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=7841027725#7841027725 notes from John Sweet]

Pictures of Geneva Hall added today, 3-17-08.

[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125/p/6 Discussion turns to the Geneva Hall] in the message board.

=== Other Venues discussed ===
* [http://www.bendofivylodge.com/ Bend of Ivy Lodge] (probably too small)
* [http://www.thecrestcenter.com/ The Crest Center]
* [http://www.wildacres.org/ Wildacres Retreat] <br />Comments from Ken-at-Bose: As you'll see this place already hosts lots and lots of music groups. It looks really neat, and has plenty of rooms. What I can't tell is pricing. Availability is also an issue: they're really popular. We'd have to squeeze in, or maybe plan something further out if you folks like this place. Would someone be willing to phone and find out more?
* [http://eseeola.com/ Eseeola Lodge] - [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Linville,+North+Carolina,+United+States&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,35.796390,-81.890560&ll=35.795538,-81.89209&spn=2.276654,3.735352&z=8&iwloc=addr Linnville, NC] (the golfy place)

== Lodging ==
Ongoing discussion but a likely candidate is [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]

Quoting Eve-at-Bose<ref name="Eve" /> (referring to the site map above)
:There is a good variety of rooms and prices. For those who want to save money and go more rustic, there is #19 (Edelweiss) which has 8 bedrooms for $50 each. The A-Frames are so cute, and there are more apartment type accommodations. He said that you can take $20 off whatever rate you see on the site. Right now there is no one else booked there.

:RV's are fine. He has a space with electric and water hook up, but not sewer.

== Airport ==

Charlotte NC (?)

== Date ==

Current Discussion is around [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=4141030825#4141030825 May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday Monday Tuesday)]

* Comments from the discussion
** John Nell - Last weekend in May, first weekend in June / Unavailable in April
** John Sweet - Last weekend in May, first weekend in June / "Late vs early April is more viable for me."
** Roy - Late May cuts into revenue season
** Tom Munch - Unavailable after second week of May
** Col. Andy - Last week of April, first week of May are fine but flexible except second weekend of each month

== What will it cost ==
Details coming when we finalize the location

== Things to do in the area ==
*Hiking is abundant.

*Take a tour of [http://www.biltmore.com/ Biltmore], possibly the largest residence ever constructed in America (by a Vanderbilt). Even if you are grossed out by the excess, you can't help but be amazed, over and over. Beyond the house are gardens, grounds and forests. Restaurants on premises. Arrive as soon as the estate opens in the morning for the best experience of the house.

*Shop in the "quaint" district in nearby Asheville.

== Weather - What to Wear ==
Fill this in when we settle on the dates.

== Performers and Attendance List ==
When we know when and where things are happening we will use this section to list who is coming.

== Equipment Provided ==
Many of the people who might be driving volunteered to bring gear. When the venue is finalized, we can list who is bringing what in this section.

If you don't see it here and want it, then plan on bringing it with you. And if you ''are'' bringing something, then please sign in here and add your stuff to the list. Thanks.

=== L1® Classics / Model I ===

=== L1® Model II ===
<b>1- Model II (or two systems if needed).</b> - Drumr<br>

=== T1® ===
<b>1 - T1 Tonematch (or two if needed).</b> - Drumr<br>

=== B1 ===
<b>6 - B1 Modules, 2 Packlites</b> - Drumr

=== Instruments ===
<b>4pc Acoustic drum set w/cymbals</b> - Drumr<br>
<b>TrapKAT electronic drum set<br>
drum rug & sticks/brushes</b>

=== Other ===
<b>1 - Audix OM5 microphone</b> - Drumr<br>
<b>1 - Audix D6<br>
2 - Senn. E604<br></b>

==== Stands and ... ====
<b>1 - Beyer Mic Stand w/boom (more if needed)</b> - Drumr<br>

==== Lights ====
<b>Chauvet PK-1 [http://www.chauvetlighting.com/fixtures/rocknlitepack_fix.shtml]Rocklite compact lighting pkg w/stands</b> (if needed) - Drumr<br>

== Program ==
(Order to be announced and subject to change without notice)

In previous conferences, we started on Sunday night with a presentation from Bose followed by music provided by attendees.

On Monday we had the main presentations. This was the main event followed by music in the evening.

On Tuesday there were local site visits.

=== Bose Presentations ===
*Chris-at-Bose will talk about psycho-acoustics (human hearing)
More to be announced

=== Other Presentations ===
To be announced

== Music ==
=== Sunday Night ===

=== Monday Night===


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2008-03-14T15:08:56Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Things to do in the area */

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Please use this page to share your ideas and plans for the event. To add to the page Click the '''edit tab''' above. If you create an account - please use the same "Name" as you use on the {{forum}} so we'll recognize you. The idea is to use this page for ideas that are fairly firm, and use the message board discussion (link below) for the ongoing conversation.

== Fast Facts ==
There aren't any '''real''' facts yet, but here is a summary of the current thinking.
* Location: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=asheville,+NC&ie=UTF8&ll=35.603719,-82.55127&spn=9.123361,14.941406&z=6&iwloc=addr Asheville North Carolina] (link to a map)
* Venue: [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]
* Dates: May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday)

* [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|How do I add information here]]
== Discussions about the conference ==
These are on the Bose Musicians Message Boards
* [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125/p/1 Bose Southeast Conference possibilities...] named [http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/rrhtml/regdef.html South Atlantic States] to cover Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
* Please enter the [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/2901088725?r=2901088725#2901088725 the Poll] setup by BabyBlueEyes.
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== Venue ==

Suggestions have centered around [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=asheville,+NC&ie=UTF8&ll=35.603719,-82.55127&spn=9.123361,14.941406&z=6&iwloc=addr Asheville North Carolina] (link to a map).
[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=3601022625#3601022625 John Sweet has been investigating].

Top of the list so far seems to be the Switzerland Inn using the [[{{PAGENAME}}#Geneva Hall|Geneva Hall]] for music and meeting facilities.
=== Switzerland Inn / Geneva Hall ===
* [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]<br />No music facilities but there is the Geneva Hall nearby. The Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate). See John Sweets detailed notes: <br />Called Switzerland Inn - spoke to nice man named Jack.
** Jack said Geneva Hall can be rented for $150 to $200 day. (probably weekend vs weekday rate).
** Their standard rooms rates on weekends are (for mountain view) $110 / night to $170 / night for a larger room with two queens.
** They discount the rooms (with a booking of 20 or more rooms) $30 on weekdays. (Sunday - Thursday).
** They can provide all meals and offer full bar service. Every Friday night they have a Prim Rib and Seafood buffet. Or, if we had 75 people or more, they'd provide the buffet for us exclusively some other evening. They can do things like "three menu option" meals as well.
** April availability:
*** April 27, 28, 29 (Sunday to Tuesday) Discounted rate
** May availability:
*** May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday)
*** May 9, 10 (and possibly 11)
**** This is Friday, Saturday, Sunday (Mother's day weekend) We would get the $30/room discount this weekend. (only discounted weekend available)
** May 30, 31 Friday, Saturday (possibly Sunday)
** June is Booked
** July is open July 18, 19.
** Otherwise, we get into September / October timeframe.
** There are hiking trails to water falls very nearby and a mountain (by east coast standards) 15 miles away for a good 5 - 6 hour hike.
** That's about all the info I collected. Will let you know if I hear back from Wild Acres Retreat.

==== Geneva Hall ====

Geneva Hall is a country meeting hall. It is all wood. Wood floors, walls, ceiling. Approximate dimensions are 30x60. There are approximately 50 metal fold-up chairs. There is a small raised stage in one corner. It is raised approximately 8". There is a kitchen and refrigerator. We could provide beverage services. We do have a nice patio on the lobby of the lodge; it is not covered.

[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=7841027725#7841027725 notes from John Sweet]

=== Other Venues discussed ===
* [http://www.bendofivylodge.com/ Bend of Ivy Lodge] (probably too small)
* [http://www.thecrestcenter.com/ The Crest Center]
* [http://www.wildacres.org/ Wildacres Retreat] <br />Comments from Ken-at-Bose: As you'll see this place already hosts lots and lots of music groups. It looks really neat, and has plenty of rooms. What I can't tell is pricing. Availability is also an issue: they're really popular. We'd have to squeeze in, or maybe plan something further out if you folks like this place. Would someone be willing to phone and find out more?
* [http://eseeola.com/ Eseeola Lodge] - [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Linville,+North+Carolina,+United+States&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,35.796390,-81.890560&ll=35.795538,-81.89209&spn=2.276654,3.735352&z=8&iwloc=addr Linnville, NC] (the golfy place)

== Lodging ==
Ongoing discussion but a likely candidate is [http://www.switzerlandinn.com/ Switzerland Inn]

== Airport ==

Charlotte NC (?)

== Date ==
Please enter the [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/2901088725?r=2901088725#2901088725 the Poll] setup by BabyBlueEyes.

Current Discussion is around [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/292105355/m/6071077125?r=4141030825#4141030825 May 4, 5, 6 (Sunday Monday Tuesday)]

* Comments from the discussion
** John Nell - Last weekend in May, first weekend in June / Unavailable in April
** John Sweet - Last weekend in May, first weekend in June / "Late vs early April is more viable for me."
** Roy - Late May cuts into revenue season
** Tom Munch - Unavailable after second week of May
** Col. Andy - Last week of April, first week of May are fine but flexible except second weekend of each month

== What will it cost ==
Details coming when we finalize the location

== Things to do in the area ==
*Hiking is abundant.

*Take a tour of [http://www.biltmore.com/ Biltmore], possibly the largest residence ever constructed in America (by a Vanderbilt). Even if you are grossed out by the excess, you can't help but be amazed, over and over. Beyond the house are gardens, grounds and forests. Restaurants on premises. Arrive as soon as the estate opens in the morning for the best experience of the house.

*Shop in the "quaint" district in nearby Asheville.

== Weather - What to Wear ==
Fill this in when we settle on the dates.

== Performers and Attendance List ==
When we know when and where things are happening we will use this section to list who is coming.

== Equipment Provided ==
Many of the people who might be driving volunteered to bring gear. When the venue is finalized, we can list who is bringing what in this section.

If you don't see it here, then plan on bringing it with you. And if you ''are'' bringing something, then please let me know via a PM or sign in here and add your stuff to the list. Thanks. - BBE

=== L1® Classics / Model I ===

=== L1® Model II ===

=== T1® ===

=== B1 ===

=== Instruments ===

=== Other ===

==== Stands and ... ====

==== Lights ====

== Program ==
(Order to be announced and subject to change without notice)

In previous conferences, we started on Sunday night with a presentation from Bose followed by music provided by attendees.

On Monday we had the main presentations. This was the main event followed by music in the evening.

On Tuesday there were local site visits.

=== Bose Presentations ===
To be announced

=== Other Presentations ===
To be announced

== Music ==
=== Sunday Night ===

=== Monday Night===


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B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T13:26:45Z

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Chris-at-Bose wrote this article<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/867107664/m/7811035504?r=3981085704#3981085704 In search of Bass] in the {{Forum}}</ref> and encourages your improvements. Edits for formatting and subtitles done by [[User:ST|ST]] 23:17, 23 November 2006 (GMT-7)
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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches (15 cm) of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches (30 cm) between grilles (because this is 6 inches (15 cm) in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch (75 cm) diameter sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about 5 feet (1.3 m) of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot (30 cm) of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. Although we prefer to keep the B1s as close to the rear wall as we can, there are times when this is just not an option. In such cases, we try to get 7 feet (2.1 m) or more from a rear wall as a second choice because, in the 2-7 foot (.3-2.1 m) range, the reflection from the rear wall tends to reduce some of the bass frequency range in the audience (an interference effect). Sometimes we have no choice but to place B1s in that 2-7 foot (.3-2.1 m) range and we just live with the minor reduction in bass, perhaps compensating with a bass tone control boost.

Other variations: It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good-sounding results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

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<references/>
[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
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B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T13:22:09Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* It Depends */

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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches (15 cm) of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches (30 cm) between grilles (because this is 6 inches (15 cm) in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch (75 cm) diameter sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about 5 feet (1.3 m) of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot (30 cm) of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. Although we prefer to keep the B1s as close to the rear wall as we can, there are times when this is just not an option. In such cases, we try to get 7 feet (2.1 m) or more from a rear wall as a second choice because, in the 2-7 foot (.3-2.1 m) range, the reflection from the rear wall tends to reduce some of the bass frequency range in the audience (an interference effect). Sometimes we have no choice but to place B1s in that 2-7 foot (.3-2.1 m) range and we just live with the minor reduction in bass, perhaps compensating with a bass tone control boost.

Other variations: It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good-sounding results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

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<references/>
[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
</noinclude>

B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T13:19:29Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Locating the Group of B1s */

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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches (15 cm) of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches (30 cm) between grilles (because this is 6 inches (15 cm) in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch (75 cm) diameter sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about 5 feet (1.3 m) of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot (30 cm) of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. Although we prefer to keep the B1s as close to the rear wall as we can, there are times when this is just not an option. In such cases, we try to get 7 feet (2.1 m) or more from a rear wall as a second choice because, in the 2-7 foot (.3-2.1 m) range, the reflection from the rear wall tends to reduce some of the bass frequency range in the audience (an interference effect). Sometimes we have no choice but to place B1s in that 2-7 foot (.3-2.1 m) range and we just live with the minor reduction in bass, perhaps compensating with a bass tone control boost.

Other variations: It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

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<references/>
[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
</noinclude>

B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T13:17:11Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Two B1s */

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Chris-at-Bose wrote this article<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/867107664/m/7811035504?r=3981085704#3981085704 In search of Bass] in the {{Forum}}</ref> (to be edited soon). Edits for formatting and subtitles done by [[User:ST|ST]] 23:17, 23 November 2006 (GMT-7)
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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches (15 cm) of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches (30 cm) between grilles (because this is 6 inches (15 cm) in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch (75 cm) diameter sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about five feet of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. Although we prefer to keep the B1s as close to the rear wall as we can, there are times when this is just not an option. In such cases, we try to get 7 feet or more from a rear wall as a second choice because, in the 2-7 foot range, the reflection from the rear wall tends to reduce some of the bass frequency range in the audience (an interference effect). Sometimes we have no choice but to place B1s in that 2-7 foot range and we just live with the minor reduction in bass, perhaps compensating with a bass tone control boost.

Other variations: It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

<noinclude>
<references/>
[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
</noinclude>

B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T13:16:02Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Orientation, aiming and obstruction */

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Chris-at-Bose wrote this article<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/867107664/m/7811035504?r=3981085704#3981085704 In search of Bass] in the {{Forum}}</ref> (to be edited soon). Edits for formatting and subtitles done by [[User:ST|ST]] 23:17, 23 November 2006 (GMT-7)
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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches (15 cm) of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches between grilles (because this is 6 inches in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about five feet of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. Although we prefer to keep the B1s as close to the rear wall as we can, there are times when this is just not an option. In such cases, we try to get 7 feet or more from a rear wall as a second choice because, in the 2-7 foot range, the reflection from the rear wall tends to reduce some of the bass frequency range in the audience (an interference effect). Sometimes we have no choice but to place B1s in that 2-7 foot range and we just live with the minor reduction in bass, perhaps compensating with a bass tone control boost.

Other variations: It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

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[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
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B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T13:14:22Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Locating the Group of B1s */

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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches between grilles (because this is 6 inches in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about five feet of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. Although we prefer to keep the B1s as close to the rear wall as we can, there are times when this is just not an option. In such cases, we try to get 7 feet or more from a rear wall as a second choice because, in the 2-7 foot range, the reflection from the rear wall tends to reduce some of the bass frequency range in the audience (an interference effect). Sometimes we have no choice but to place B1s in that 2-7 foot range and we just live with the minor reduction in bass, perhaps compensating with a bass tone control boost.

Other variations: It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

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[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
</noinclude>

B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T12:57:03Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Two B1s */

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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches between grilles (because this is 6 inches in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 between them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about five feet of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

<noinclude>
<references/>
[[category:B1 Bass Module]]
[[category:Bass]]
[[category:Chris Ickler]]
[[category:Reference]]
</noinclude>

B1 Bass Module / Positioning

2006-11-24T12:55:46Z

Chris-at-Bose: /* Two B1s */

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Chris-at-Bose wrote this article<ref>[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/867107664/m/7811035504?r=3981085704#3981085704 In search of Bass] in the {{Forum}}</ref> (to be edited soon). Edits for formatting and subtitles done by [[User:ST|ST]] 23:17, 23 November 2006 (GMT-7)
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In response to: "where and how is the best way to place the B1; single, double, and quad"

=== It Depends ===
I'm planning to expand the wiki article [[Bass Outdoors]] to try to be as comprehensive about indoor and outdoor bass placement issues as I can be. Until I publish that, the short but annoying answer is of course, "it depends" and the slightly longer, but still unsatisfying answer is, "results will vary from case to case in ways that even the best acousticians can't anticipate." But you'll often find recommendations on the web or even in technical journals by folks who have only considered a subset of the factors that contribute. The authors may not know about the other factors or, more likely, they may be hoping that those other factors can be ignored. The temptation to extrapolate beyond the part that one grasps is almost irresistible. Hope springs eternal. One wants to give a satisfying answer, even when it is out of reach.

This is not as hopeless as it sounds, because there is an important distinction between "what is best?", which we cannot answer, and "what do you recommend that I do?" which we should and can answer. We can also say some things about "what should I NOT do?" Here I will give you a random smattering of such recommendations and hope that they will suffice until I can give a fully organized wiki entry. It's a pretty long post, but I hope it will address most of the questions that have arisen. (It takes more time to make a shorter post. Smile ) If not, ask more questions and that will help me make the wiki entry more complete.
Chris

=== Orientation, aiming and obstruction ===
Sound comes through the B1 grille only and then spreads out the same amount in all directions from that surface. So box orientation doesn't matter to the B1 sound. Sonically the B1 can rest on any one of its four sides and nothing will change. (Of course, for stacking, you want the "wide side down" in order to engage the nubs on the next B1.) Once you pick a side to rest it on, you can aim the B1 in any direction you want, forward, sideways, even firing backward toward a rear wall. If you hear a change, it is because you've moved the grille relative to other B1s or relative to boundaries. Don't shove the grille into a wall or into a big obstacle, because then the sound can't get out; leave at least 6 inches of space in front of the grille. The side of the box itself can be right against a wall, so long as the grille is not obstructed. We often start out placing our B1s on the floor, sideways against the rear wall, so that the first reflections from the floor and rear wall will not change the tonal balance in the bass. (Room modes will change the tonal balance anyway, but at least we eliminate one source of variability this way.)

=== Arranging groups of B1s that play the same signal ===
When multiple sources playing the same signal are spaced apart, they make an "array" which means that the tonal balance they radiate can be different in different directions. If you understand array theory, you can make this work for you, but in our case, it is safest to keep the spacings as small as we can, so that the array radiates the same in all directions. When we keep the spacing tight, multiple B1s will behave just like single B1s, only louder. What matters here are the spacings of the grilles, not the cabinets, because the grilles are where the sound comes from. The more specific suggestions that follow below rely partly on my own understanding of the theory and partly on consultation with Hilmar, who has both theory and a lot of experience to guide him.

==== Two B1s ====
For two B1s, we prefer to stack them on their wide sides, mostly because this takes the minimum floor space. But you can place them side by side or even face to face, leaving 12 inches between grilles (because this is 6 inches in front of each B1). Sonically, it doesn't matter which wide side is up and the two don't have to have the same side up. Sonically you can even have one B1 on its wide side and one on its handle side, although that looks funny. In fact, for two B1s, "looking good" places more restrictions on what you do than "sounding good." I've seen two B1s placed either side of an L1 on the PS1, and that should work fine acoustically. In any arrangement where the grilles fit completely within a 30 inch sphere, your two B1s will act like a single one, only louder. Note that spacing two B1s on the floor with the PS1 ''between'' them does not meet this criterion. That arrangement would reduce the mid-bass that radiates to the left and right sides.

==== Four B1s ====
For 4 B1s, we are most likely to stack all 4 on their wide sides, but sometimes we make two stacks of two, side by side. The stack of four takes up the least floor space, but it radiates a little less mid-bass upwards, which has not been a problem and might be beneficial. We don't lay all four in a line on the floor on their wide sides, since we expect this to weaken the midbass that travels left and right toward other band members or audience at the sides. You could probably lay all four in a line if you rest them on their handle sides, so that they make a short line. If you use the 2x2, keep the two stacks adjacent to avoid possibly weakening the mid-bass to the sides.

=== Locating the Group of B1s ===
Where to locate the group: If the group of B1s is far from its L1, the lows will come from one place and the highs from another and this is harder for everyone to hear clearly. More than about five feet of separation is probably beginning to compromise your spatial quality. It's best if you can keep the B1s adjacent to or within a foot of the PS1. Since our preferred arrangements are stacks of 2 or 4 B1s, we also like to aim those stacks sideways and place them against the rear wall if we can, because this minimizes unwanted array effects with the first reflections. But we don't hesitate to aim the stacks forward when the best appearance is more important. In this case, we keep the B1s as close to the back wall as the connectors allow, but being careful not to stress the cables by bending them too sharply against the wall. It's okay to raise the B1s on short risers if you like, but I don't know of any reason why this would always sound better or worse, just different. Floors and walls are not perfect reflectors of bass, but I have no different recommendations to make due to this source of variation.

=== It Depends ===
Although the above suggestions describe our default arrangements, they don't always yield good results. The factor that we can't really control or understand easily is the room. Rooms often cause very uneven distribution of bass and there is no universal method of cure. Sometimes a different speaker placement seems to help, but what helps for one listener usually makes it worse elsewhere. It's easy to fool yourself and it's easy to fuss endlessly without finding a good solution. We try not to fall into that trap. If one or two alternatives don't cure the problem, we give up and move on.

There are only a few techniques that we think are likely to help. First, if there is too much bass, we might try to fix that with a tone control reduction before moving anything, since, if it works, we will have higher maximum bass output available to us (because the bass amp is working less hard to give the right amount of bass). If a bass control adjustment doesn't straighten out the problem we hear, we might move the stack closer to or farther from the nearest corner. Closer sometimes increases bass while farther sometimes reduces it. (That's the simplified theory, anyway.) But proceed with care: the change the musicians hear will probably be different from the change in the audience. Make sure you know who you are trying to improve the sound for. The last thing we might try is a different arrangement, say switching from a stack of 4 to 2x2. If these few alternatives don't give a clear improvement (and they usually don't), we think it's time to shrug our shoulders and get on with the show.

=== Who Wins? ===
Ultimately, we have to be willing to accept that often the room will "win" and we won't get the ideal bass response. This will be true for any bass system, not just specifically for the B1. There is no point in worrying about this--we do what little we can to avoid the worst and then concentrate on giving a good performance. If we do that, the L1 will make sure people enjoy the sound, even when the bass isn't all that we'd like it to be.

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Phase Cancellation and the L1

2006-10-26T22:50:37Z

Chris-at-Bose: Corrected recommended spacing, changed reference. ~~~~

== Practical Note ==
'''Only when fed the same signal''', "Interference between line arrays would be more severe [than for non-line-array speakers]. In fact, the current Bose design rules for installing MA12 line arrays recommend ... a spacing between line arrays of between 6 and 15 meters! (20-50 feet)" The same applies to the L1. - Chris-at-Bose <ref>See: http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/867107664/m/5941073123?r=1981053533#1981053533 in
{{Forum}}</ref> (Clarifications added by the author of the quote.)

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Article Requests

2006-08-29T14:37:39Z

Chris-at-Bose:

Please add a link to whatever triggered their request and add your signature <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> so we have a date time stamp

=== Compression and Vocals ===

[http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1266055944/m/4191078963?r=6541009073#6541009073 Compression on Vocals]
Request by Ken-at-Bose
[[User:ST|ST]] 02:14, 25 August 2006 (GMT-7)

=== Trouble with Hum ===

Numerous cases on forum
[[User:Chris-at-Bose|Chris-at-Bose]] 21:37, 29 August 2006 (GMT-7)

=== Trouble with Feedback ===

Numerous cases on forum
[[User:Chris-at-Bose|Chris-at-Bose]] 21:37, 29 August 2006 (GMT-7)

[[category:Article Requests]]
[[category:Wiki Team]]
[[category:The Bose L1™ Wiki Project]]

User:Chris-at-Bose

2006-08-29T14:15:36Z

Chris-at-Bose: Posted text rather than link to elsewhere.

I've been with Bose® since 1980, after finishing my thesis for Dr. Bose. I started in home hi-fi by designing the 201® Series I and 501® Series IV. Ken and I have worked closely together since '87, mostly on Pro projects. I've contributed a lot to Modeler® Design Program and provided much of the vision for the current version (v6.0). I'm also the lead engineer of Auditioner® audio demonstrator technology and the Panaray® 502A speaker array, and I invented the phased-bass-array technology we use in large venues. I spear-headed the design of the first intelligible sound system for the Mosque in Mecca, the largest such job Bose has ever done and one which I consider to be the Mt. Everest of acoustical challenges. I met Hilmar back in '91 and subsequently helped bring him to Bose; although we both worked heavily on 3D audio simulation and DSP, I didn't fulfill my desire to actually work with him until just this last year or so.

I started inventing things with Cliff in '94 when he joined Bose and I learned about horns and compression drivers from the master himself. We also had good times tuning sound systems in arenas and stadiums around the world. I'm also the guy who told him on theoretical grounds that his idea for the line array for musicians was a really bad idea, but fortunately he wasn't listening to me, or none of these miracles would have happened (humbling thought). Cliff built an array anyway and refuted all my technical background with a very simple argument: "listen to this." I was wrong; theory had to be revised to match reality. (This is YOUR strongest argument too, no matter who challenges you, no matter what they think they know.)

So I quickly became a believer and a promoter and successfully advocated for the first use of Bose line arrays at the Universal theme park, "Islands of Adventure." (The outdoor area-wide coverage is almost all Bose line arrays -- 16' tall covering acres of open space.) When Ken and Cliff started honing the product you now enjoy, I acted as a "voice of the audience" by attending early Linemen gigs and giving feedback about what was working in the audience and what was not.

Although I'm in the Corporate Research division, I devote about half my effort toward helping my old friends to develop new solutions for musicians. We have a lot of good things going on in the lab and I look forward to sharing them with you in the fullness of time. And I'm always interested in what ISN'T working for you, no matter how intractable you think those problems may be. Maybe we'll solve them anyway. Although I'm not a musician, (I did study acoustic guitar, but found I had little to offer beyond manual dexterity), nonetheless I hope you'll accept me as one who deeply loves what musicians give to the human race.

User:Chris-at-Bose

2006-08-24T22:33:08Z

Chris-at-Bose:

See [http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4806048934/m/911109204?r=4911067513#4911067513 my bio] on the [http://bose.infopop.cc/ Bose Musicians Community Discussion Boards (aka The Forum)]

Talk:Wiki Team/File Extensions

2006-08-24T22:26:41Z

Chris-at-Bose:

== ogg files ==

=== Audacity Audio Editor ===
'''Works''' [http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/ audacity] in Windows
[[Media:Meep meep.ogg]]

=== Windows Media Player 10 + illiminable codecs ===
'''Does Not Work '''
Chris-at-Bose and ST have confirmed that files uploaded and downloaded are bit-for-bit the same
ST has installed / uninstalled / installed codecs for OGG in Windows Media Player 10 from illiminable.com/ogg
[http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ illiminable.com]
Sample files from illiminable play fine in Windows Media Player
Sample file uploaded by Chris does not load in Windows Media Player

[[User:ST|ST]] 04:58, 25 August 2006 (GMT-7)

== LaTex ==
2006 08 23

ST exploring installing LaTex on the web server to support LaTex files.
# Question - how big are the files likely to be?

# Question - how many owners are likely to use this?

[[User:ST|ST]] 01:45, 25 August 2006 (GMT-7)

LaTex equations are very brief, rarely more than 256 bytes. LaTex files can be as big as a book, but it seems wise to discourage the non-wiki text formatting that this would enable.

How many owners will use it? Nobody but me, and maybe not even me. Once I found the problem with ogg files, I decided to test other available editing buttons and this one came up broken so I reported it. If a fix is trivial, we might as well have the button work. Otherwise, I advocate skipping it. (A bug is converted to a feature by documenting it.) Plus there is a workaround of using an embedded image like this.

[[Image:Example.jpg]]

[[User:Chris-at-Bose|Chris-at-Bose]] 05:26, 25 August 2006 (GMT-7)

File:Example.jpg

2006-08-24T22:22:03Z

Chris-at-Bose: